Armen Rustamyan. My question is for you, Mr. Nalbandian. I am talking about the subversive group which was neutralized in Karabakh. I have a concern, that the issue could be presented in a different way, thus the essence may be distorted. As, we know very well what policy Azerbaijan pursues in relation to this issue – presenting it upside down to the international community, saying that a non-existing state sentences through its non-existing court over non-committed crime. And if the issue is transformed to a humanitarian one, as is mentioned by mediation, Azerbaijan itself acts against any humanitarianism and there can not be any question of humanitarianism. The issue was politicized through Azerbaijan’s propagandistic behavior.

And if we do not give an adequate response and act properly, and I notice that steps are being undertaken in this direction and many of them in proper manner, but I think that we must act in more coordinated way. In fact, this is also an opportunity for us, if we want to open, pull the mask off this crafty policy by Azerbaijan of turning upside down, distorting of issues, this, to me, I think, is a good opportunity for us to show it by this very example.

So, in the same way we, I consider, should demand that they indeed recognize, that it is not non-existing, but exactly an existing international subject; if it was not recognized till now, but is a de facto existing independent state, then they are obliged to submit request to that state. Besides, mediators are obliged, at least, before addressing us, to demand that Azerbaijan publicly admits that those are criminals, even though official Baku never made such a statement and will scarcely do. What do we plan to do in this direction?

Edward Nalbandian. Mr. Rustamyan, I spoke about the Azerbaijani saboteurs a few days ago. Crimes, murders committed by them are disclosed, documented and proven, including the kidnapping, torture and brutal killing of a 17-years-old boy.

The international community is well aware of how murderers are received and glorified in Azerbaijan, as was the case with the notorious Safarov, and that was not the only case.

It is natural, that the civilized world speaks about humanism. However, what humanism can one speak about in the case of Azerbaijan? How many civilians of Armenian origin were humiliated in front of cameras, in the manner of terrorists, and then killed by the Azerbaijanis. Or by what kind of humanism was Baku guided, when it rejected the appeals of international structures, including the Red Cross, OSCE, Co-Chairs to provide access to the downed helicopter site to rescue the remains of helicopter crew? 

Moreover “the great humanists” of Baku with their “particular humanism” persecute their own citizens, and, especially those who advocate for peace, tolerance, reconciliation and humanism.

This all shows that Azerbaijan perceives humanism in its own way, and abuses its genuine expressions to deepen hatred and xenophobia.

This is the reality, and I have already mentioned it. By the way, as to the rumors that supposedly the Co-Chairs raised that issue during their last visit to Yerevan, such a thing did not happen. The issue was not raised by the Co-Chairs during their last visit.

Armen Rustamyan. Mr. Nalbandian, I am concerned about Azerbaijan speaking today as a claimant on the issue of return of those persons, that it demands them to be returned. Against this backdrop, if we do not present the issue in its full essence and do not take appropriate diplomatic steps, if suddenly, Lord forbid, I do not think, that we could resort to such kind of a thing … without taking into account all that, this group or those persons are returned, then that would mean an absolute propaganda victory for Azerbaijan.

But I think that this is a good opportunity that our fight against the propaganda launched by Azerbaijan against us, this is a good opportunity for us to work truly together in coordination. At least, the same Lady would not try to distort the issue by presenting that this could be a humanitarian act of exchange of prisoners-of-war. This is not the case. They are not prisoners-of-war. And by calling a spade a spade, you very well noted that the facts are proven, trial was conducted in full accordance with all the norms.

But this is known to us or to a very small circle of people. I am talking about presenting that all to the world, I am talking about the realization of our rightfully coordinated diplomacy. And really I propose to fully use the inter-parliamentary diplomacy framework. Let’s together discuss and define all necessary steps to be done by our delegations in international framework. That is the issue.

Edward Nalbandian. Mr. Rustamyan, generally speaking, you are right, but the thing is that as Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defense stated, all the facts and evidences of saboteurs’ crimes were thoroughly presented to the diplomatic missions accredited in Armenia – something that escaped your attention, it seems. The same was done by our diplomatic missions abroad. Appropriate statements were made, as well.

I would like to ask you to be careful with the wording, when you say, “the Lady said this and that…” such kind of a wording has not been used, as you are presenting. Have a look how it was stated.